I didn’t see this one coming. Gay porn star Arad Winwin recently broke the news on his Instagram Stories that he’s shooting his first ever BISEXUAL sex scene from MEN.COM. The original Instagram Stories was automatically deleted after 24 hours but thanks to @ArfadMikahel who upload a screen cap on Twitter. The story was then picked up by Men of Porn. Looks like Arad is about to make his bisexual debut before his bottoming debut (if ever).
I assume it’s going to be MMF scene. Who do you think will be another male model in this scene, Brandon Cody? Johnny Rapid? William Seed? Ryan Bones? Paddy O’Brian? Tobias? Dante Colle?
Isiah says
This must be a joke he is not going to do a bisexual movie it will destroy his porn stardom he said he is gay and that why he left Iraq so he won’t be killed for it men.com is homophobic site that cather to faghags women.
LGBTQIA+ Pride says
According to past interviews, Arad WinWin says he’s of “Persian” heritage and originally from Iran…not Iraq.
Anyway, I wouldn’t mind watching Arad WinWin perform in a bisexual or even a transsexual (male-to-female) film.
I mainly prefer watching gay male pornography…but do like a change of scene once-in-a-while. So, I do enjoy watching bisexual, trans (male-to-female) porn and queer (a genre of porn that would almost be described as pansexual) porn too sometimes.
All in all, if this is really happening…and it turns that Arad WinWin will indeed appear in a bisexual-themed pornographic film, then I look forward to watching it upon release.
nototheno says
That’s why TQIA+ is anti-LGB because you support this blatant “conversion therapy” propaganda and pretend it’s something progressive when it’s the most homophobic insult you can imagine
LGBTQIA+ Pride says
LoL,
So, “nototheno,” You really think adding “TQIA+” to the acronym makes a person “anti-LGB.” That’s got to be a first.
And…how does adding “TQIA+” to the acronym suggest supporting “conversion therapy” (which I obviously don’t, considering I am a gay cisgender man who is content being gay).
Think about it. You’re argument makes absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever.
To be honest, I couldn’t care less if the acronym bothers you – I couldn’t care less if it bothers anyone. I’m not obligated to “sympathize” with YOUR sensibilities. So, consider the “LGBTQIA+” acronym an “insult” if you wish – I’ll continue using it as I wish.
c_4 says
Great comment man, but what does the I A stand for in LGBTQIA?
LGBTQIA+ Pride says
@ C_4
The “I” stands for “intersex” and the “A” stands for “asexual”
c_4 says
Thanx for the reply man
Isiah says
Fuck bisexuality fuck sexually fluid why forcing this shit on gay men we don’t want to fuck a woman first they say that gayness is not a choice and that you are born this way now they are saying that sexuality is fluid and gayness is a choice if that the case stop banning ex gay came and QMN how you comfirmed this without arad and men.con comfirmed this themselves
nototheno says
Unfortunately it was actually on Arad’s insta stories… so he pretty much confirmed this. Not a big loss anyway. He was one of the most boring limp dicked tops so he can go away to straight porn asap.
Actualking says
Imagine comparing bisexual porn to torture some in conversion therapy, I-
Ketyn Porta says
LGBTQIA + Pride you are so wrong because you need to proclaim your pride in a str8 studio not in a gay studio, because gay sites always admit this type of content NDS, CSK in the past … I want to be a good girl and say that it doesn’t matter who fucks Arad Winwin … But MEN is so cynical because they can’t make a GOOD SEX SCENE, and now they are doing bi and str8 sex, they are so rotter …… If You are so proud, go to BRAZZER, DIGITALPLAYER, AMERICANNAUTHER , SCREW BOX, BlACKED, VIXEN, TUSHY, etc and tell them to do bi scenes
Mc.emc2 says
THIS!!!!! I don’t see anyone bugging str8 sites tô feature bi/gay content… Bunch of hypocrites
LGBTQIA+ Pride says
@ Ketyn Porta,
LoL….if you actually think MEN.com is a “st8 studio,” then you are confused. Filming sex scenes between cisgender men (many of the models they use actually identify as “gay” interviews and some even admit to being in gay relationships in their private lives) does not qualify as “straight porn.”
There are many studios and distributors that specialize in more than just one genre of porn (examples: Devil’s Film, Mile High, Brang Bros, Channel 1 Releasing’s All Worlds [they’ve done some trans and bi films in the past]).
So, what’s the big deal if MEN.com decides to branch out and specialize in more than just one genre? Is it really that big of a disappoint to you? You don’t have to watch any of the bi content if you don’t want.
jonn says
So not wanting to see pussy in GAY porn is a crime? How bout you get over people not wanting to be forced to see straight sex in gay porn.
Luke says
If there are straight men who have sex with other men for money, then there are gay men who have sex with women for money. If you are arad’s fan you should support him because he is honest with his fans (unlike some other pornstars who lies)
Daniel says
Fans can disagree and not like somethings he does. If he chooses to have sex with women for money – good for him, but I’m no longer a fan.
johan says
YOU guys are so crazy get a life already, first off you are like 30 40 and you talking about being a “fan” you acting like crazy 12 years old Biebers fans! It’s just a scene, some of you need to relax and get a life seriously, it’s so pathetic! It’s just a scene, he didn’t kill anybody! Gosh… And if you are not happy move your fat ass from your desk and do your own porn videos instead
nototheno says
Ex-gay therapy is actually killing gay people.
nototheno says
Anyways, I hope he ends like Arpad – another fake “gay” who never bottomed.
Daniel says
Why are you so upset? My life shouldn’t concern you. I’m criticizing the performer for, what I think is, bad career choice. I’m simply sharing my opinion. This section is specifically made for that!
andrew says
Well said.
nototheno says
bisexual man pretending that he’s gay is not being “honest”
Linic says
Thats not likely to happen . G4P happens because there are too many straight actors and the wages are inferior. Why would a gay actor do a straight scene if it would pay less money?
Have you seen some of those G4$, some admit that they are miserable, so i would a gay person do it?
Having saying that, he can do what he wants, but this companies have to stop forcing gay ppl to enjoy straight sex, i never ear this argument of sexual fluidity at Brazers…
FormerBrandonfan says
There AREN’T straight men having sex with men for money, they are bisexual and don’t want to admit it.
Anon says
where was it confirmed?
Nate says
It’s on the website. I just watched it. He gets a blowjob from a woman and fucks her pussy.
Nate says
Oops. Too late. The scene is up on Men.com, the plot is that a gay man and a straight woman fight over Arad Winwin’s affection, and Arad ends up fucking them both.
You can watch the scene here…
Daniel says
Non surprised MEN reaching new lows. Although, I’m surprised that Arad agreed to it. Guess that sob story about a gay guy running from Iran, was just to draw attention. Anyway, good luck to him, but it’s one more “gay” porn actor I won’t be following.
Lucas says
I didn’t know Arad was straight… Unless Men.Com is now trying to suggest that gays can change their orientation?!
andrew says
Gay men have been having sex with women since the beginning of time, usually because of social, religious or family pressures and that didn’t change their sexual orientation. Neither will Arad’s having sex with women for money change his sexual orientation.
nototheno says
Lies. Gay men don’t have sex with women. Bisexual liars do.
alex says
Gay men certainly can have sex with women. Doesn’t mean they are into it — just they they can do it. Many gay men had sex with women early on — for myriad reasons. You’re really only bisexual if you enjoy having sex with women and men.
nototheno says
If you can get hard for pussy, you’re not gay
Daniel says
Would you already stop with this shit?! Gay men don’t sleep with women, the same as straight men don’t sleep with other men. This idea that everyone is bisexual is really annoying…
Mark says
Bisexuals believe everyone is bi. They are liars and deceptive, gay men should fight against this sexually fluid shit.
Sir says
I mean by the end of the day money is still the main motivator for these people, still though now I find myself questioning the sincerity of his sob story.
MEN for awhile now hasn’t released any content I found all that substantial so I’m not against this new idea of theirs in hopes it brings something interesting to the table. But I do wonder who is this content actually for? Real bi men or straight women?
nototheno says
his sob story is a lie. Running away from Iran so he can finally… fuck a woman? Nonsense.
Kevinnnnn says
Not interested. He is way past his expiration date. 100 scenes all exactly the same as a boring top. Wake me up if he bottom or flip fuck at least.
Ketyn Porta says
Arad Winwin is not the problem…. the problem is MEN why amateur porn is more hotter than professional gay site….. because MEN has the most boring scenes.
Mike says
Why not combine the Bisexual scene with his Bottoming Debut at the same time. At least that way people would actually WANT to watch it.
Eric says
Idk why it makes me uncomfortable to see a gay man having straight sex. I mean I can watch straight men having gay sex and be turned on by it. So why is the opposite bugging me? I like to think I have an open mind but Idk this is troubling me. It’s all porn, it’s a fantasy nothing more. Why should I even care what these porn stars do in their private and professional lives? Geez this feels messed up :/
nototheno says
No such thing as gay men having straight sex. Arad is bisexual homophobic liar.
NotAnLMD says
It’s not just you. I’m fine with a guy like Jordan Levine who’s straight but – at least when he was filming with Evil Jeff for Randy Blue – was told that once he walks in the studio he’s a big ol’ mo. And he performed that way, giving some intense performances (his breeding of Dominic Santos is still one of my favorites). On the other hand, I’m always disappointed when I see a known gay man do a “Divine Bitches” scene or similar. It’s not like I want all gay performers to be gold stars, but there’s something about having sex with a woman long after coming out that seems…off. Arad was never one of my favorite performers, as he’s kinda one note with only topping in a boring manner, but still, I respected his narrative about fleeing Iran and have friends who did it for the same reason.
Daniel says
Couldn’t agree more.
Pera says
totally agree with you on this
mick paddy fan says
why not just enjoy and watch it.
Daniel says
Because not everyone enjoys that. Furthermore it’s insulting that GAY porn studio decided to produce bisexual porn. I wonder why mindgeek isn’t doing it on one of their straight sites?!
FormerBrandonfan says
LMFAO! Enjoy watching a gay man have sex with a woman!? What a stupid post.
Myx says
The name of the studios is “men” so why making a bisexual scene ? And women hired by gay porns studios for bisexual scene or straight scene are always ugly.
nototheno says
So he won’t bottom but will fuck a woman? And he still pretends that he’s gay.
Did he flee Iran from homophobes so he can finally fuck a woman? Everything that man says is a lie.
jonn says
He also says he won’t fuck condomless because he wants to promote safe sex but fucks guys in amateur videos bareback? He full of shit. He should bottom and gtfo nobody will miss him and his small dick.
Anon says
A lot of porn stars have said that long before. James Killan? said he would never do bareback because his dad died of hiv and then was heavily featured in a bareback gangbang for mainly poz group of guys.
Austin wolf once slapped a client because the client suggested bareback but AW was known to be a huge bareback slut. He’s making $40k+ a month fucking tragic twinks, mainly minorities that don’t know any better, bareback. then he complains about how the porn industry keep offering him less and less money, but how much money do you think he’s paying those twinks to film for his OF? Zero. It’s all going straight into his pocket.
Point is, the world is full of hypocrites, why should porn stars be any different?
Not exactly... says
Tragic twinks, mainly minorities that don’t know better?
They know better. They just don’t care. Why? Because (tragically?) they are getting fucked by what society has convinced all gay minorities they should want….to get fucked by a dominant muscular white man.
Anon says
I doubt they know better. If they did then they wouldn’t be stupid enough to do it without demanding payment.
They are young and naive and Austin wolf most likely knows this which is why he prays on them….and it’s not like that’s “his type.” Look at his current boyfriend, and past boyfriends. The only times he has some muscular dude (like fulltimepapi) is when they’re doing a collaboration, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to get guys like that on cam for free.
I also don’t see why they’d view Austin that way. He’s not even hot and has all those hideous tattoos. Dude is WAY past his prime. He’s like 46 now. No way his the “ideal” man.
Anon says
A lot of porn stars have said that long before. James Killan? said he would never do bb because his dad died of the virus and then was heavily featured in a bareback gangbang for mainly + group of guys.
Austin wolf once slapped a client because the client suggested bb but AW was known to be a huge bb slut. He’s making $40k+ a month fucking tragic twinks, mainly minorities that don’t know any better, bb. then he complains about how the porn industry keep offering him less and less money, but how much money do you think he’s paying those twinks to film for his OF? Zero. It’s all going straight into his pocket.
Point is, the world is full of hypocrites, why should porn stars be any different?
nototheno says
Preach!!!
Matthew Powers says
MindGeek just don’t know how to run gay porn sites, and as always ruining everything.
I think “this bisexual sex scene” situation will come to Sean Cody soon.
Daniel says
I really hope it won’t happen…
Nate says
Too late. The scene is up on Men .com. A gay man and a straight woman compete for his attention and then he takes turns fucking both of them.
jonn says
fuck no, shitty corbin fisher and gayhoopla are already doing that. Sean cody is doing just fine without fish porn.
Mc.emc2 says
Please I hope SC NEVER goes this way. CF and GH shouldn’t be doing it either, but they keep insisting on not listening to their gay fans and customers
LGBTQIA+ Pride says
@ Matthew Powers
Actually, Sean Cody has filmed a few bisexual scenes in the past. It’s been many years…but I do remember watching a few bisexual scenes back in 2001 (the year the studio came into being).
Anon says
haha. Iirc it was just one scene. SC referred to it as a “reward” for his straight models doing gay porn.
Lana Banana says
Bisexual? Gimme a break. He’s like a major WeHo queen
thomas p says
I’d watch it, I like gay, str8, trans (as long as there’s a good story I’m good).
Linic says
“as long as there’s a good story I’m good”
So you just disqualified all of Men.com.
alex says
I’m perfectly okay with this — if, and only if — this is a scene where the woman fucks him with a dildo/strap-on. If it’s only his typical top only bullshit with a woman added to the mix as another bottom — no thanks. I watch a lot of straight porn, but men.com has enough problems without introducing men fucking women.
Mc.emc2 says
Is it too much to ask for gay studios to focus only on gay scenes? It’s 2018 already – it’s high time we moved past this heteronormative and homo-shaming behavior and started embracing and celebrating our gay-ness and our sexuality, which many gay men fought so hard for in the past.
WildPn says
I just want to see more rimming of Arad’s gorgeous ass and hopefully one day bottom.
LGBTQIA+ Pride says
I have no idea what Arad WinWin’s sexual orientation really is – he says he’s gay according to interviews he’s given. However, he may actually be bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, or straight in his personal life. We’re not going to know for sure because adult film actors and actresses play a character / role on film.
For example, when Jenna Jameson was doing films, she claimed for years that she was “bisexual” and did many scenes with other women. However, upon retiring, she eventually admitted she was never really bisexual and she only claimed to be because she was trying to help promote a product.
In other words, people working in porn can claim to be anything (gay, bi, lesbian, etc.) in order to promote their films or their character.
Frankly, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. If you like the model and you enjoy watching their performances….then why should be such a “deal breaker” if the actor turns out not to be the “sexual orientation” you’d prefer them to be?
tim says
lmao, miss arad is not straight.
Wtf says
He bottoms or he’s cancelled lmao simple as that
Super Marco Bros 3 says
Arad is not the only gay porn star who claims to be gay who is open to have sex with women.Several if not most gay porn stars who claims to be gay are at least a bit bisexual.Here some examples.
Steve Cruz the former gay porn star who became a gay porn director.On his old website,a woman fan told him in the forum that she watch his porn movies and that she is not usually into hairy men.Then,she said that she would have let Steve Cruz fuck her.Then,Steve Cruz answered her saying that he would have sex with a woman only if there was a man involve.He even said that it would be hot.
Austin Wolf is known to have men and women as escorts.He was open about it in interviews.He have sex with men and women.But,he still claims to be gay.
Rogan Richards also have men and women as escorts clients.You can even see pictures of Rogan on his instagram being sexual with women.He let women grab his cock,lick him,undress him,he also kiss their breats and their mouth ect…By his smile in each pictures,you can tell that he is clearly into it.Theres no way he is a Kinsey 6 100% gay man.He is a Kinsey 5 or even a Kinsey 4 bisexual man.Rogan is more into men but he is into women sexually at least.
D.O. a.k.a. Dionisio the former gay porn star who claims to be gay,once said on his twitter that girls can be fun too.Several of his gay fans gave him shit for it.Because he implied that women doesnt let him indifferent sexually.Last year he was part of a non porn erotic show with men and women being sexual with him.
All these gay porn stars claims to be gay.But,one way or another,they were showing having interest in having sex with women.Some of them do.
100% gay men in gay porn are rare.Most gay porn stars are bisexual.Gay porn stars are more fluid sexually than the average gay men.Very sexual men who are promiscuous have a bigger chance to change team.Gay porn stars are just very horny and could fuck anybody.Men and women.
90s gay porn had a lot of gay porn stars who claimed to be gay,but they also made bisexual porn.
Nowadays gay porn looks more like male porn.Since few men in gay porn are actually gay.It really should be called male porn.Because,thats basically what it is.
If you absolutly want to see gold star gay men,its gonna be outside gay porn.
Sexuality is a continuum.A man can have sex with a woman today and he can have sex with a man tomorrow.Men sexual desires always change.Very horny men are capable of doing about anything if they are very horny.
Most bisexual men either claims to be straight or gay.Bi-shaming is real.
Mark says
Most bisexuals identify as straight. They created their own stigma.
FormerBrandonfan says
Bi shaming is real? How about gay shaming by the g4p guys who are actually bi? When a guy has sex with a man, obviously aroused and enjoying it, and then claims they are straight they might as well be saying…”Yah, I’ll have sex with a man, but I’m no faggot like you!” They just need to admit to their bisexuality and then I’ll have no problem with them.
bigrawtop says
Good luck with that. Most gay guys who have filmed with women regret it later. No surprise, Men has always been a “straight” studio, filled with straight guys, won’t use poz gay men period even with condoms. And large audience of women. I won’t buy their product period, so I won’t have to put up with seeing women in scenes on the site. I hope this just speeds up their demise.
Super Marco Bros 3 says
I hope that Manuel Skye will never do a bisexual scene.It would ruin the fantasy.He claims to be gay.But,with gay porn stars you never know.He still could be bisexual.At least a bit.
Its always the hottest men in gay porn who are bisexual.So,if Manuel would be bisexual,i would not be surprised.But,i hope he is really gay.
Bisexual men should just admit being bisexual.Theres nothing wrong with bisexuality.Mostly when its the most common sexual orientation.100% straight people are a minority so are 100% gay men.Most people are bisexual.Most men see a sexual potential with both genders.The Kinsey scale is very clear and spot on.
Kinsey 0 = 100% straight
Kinsey 1-5 = different degrees of bisexuality
Kinsey 6 = 100% gay
Gay porn stars are often bisexual.Mostly those who escorts.
If homophobia would not exist,bisexuality would be the norm by now.
R47 says
If Lose Lose were bottoming it would be newsworthy. Bi sex = YAWN.
AD3 says
Only time I’d watch him is when he’d bottom tbh
mick paddy fan says
its porn,good looking men with with big dicks and you having a wank.what a load of shit get over it,i just love porn.
Daniel says
So people who don’t like that kind of porn aren’t allowed voicing their opinion?
Samuel says
This doesn’t bother me at all but I get why people are mad. Who knows what his true orientation is but then again who cares. Someone made a comment that gay men have been sleeping with woman since the dawn of creation is correct. Men and woman had to do what they had to do for alot of different reasons, and it still happens today all the time. I think we tend to forget that being anything other than straight has only just very recently been ok in society and there still is alot of push back. Also it all comes down to money, maybe Arad just needs the money. Plus I know its not true for every gay man but sometimes down the road some of us find out that were actually bisexual or at least more straight than we thought we were, it happens. With that being said even though I don’t mind bisexual porn or woman showing up in porn but I do think its annoyong that its only being pushed on gay studios. If brazzers, vivid or any other major straight studio started doing bi scenes I don’t think anybody in this comment section would care. But the outrage from their customers would be huge, way worse than this.
mick paddy fan says
yes have a opinion, but kinsey, its porn get over it, sit down and have a cup tea.kinsey what next its fucken porn.
RomanToddFan says
Straight men in gay porn, gay men in straight/bisexual porn, it’s all possible ! They are porn “actors” remember ?
If you don’t like girls, it doesn’t make it impossible. Not all gay men are so close minded.
mick paddy fan says
well said.the first tine i saw paddy was in str8 porn.
nototheno says
Once again, homophobic straight worshippers insulting gay men for daring to be gay and not go through “conversion therapy”
Isiah says
Wow you say that gay men are close minded for not fucking women you are a dumbass you support Conversion Therapy and you believe in the ex gay movement.
mick paddy fan says
who said that?
mick paddy fan says
who said that?
Linic says
Gay men are closed minded for not wanting to fuck woman… Geez
Whats next, Gay men dont exist because we are all BI/straight?
Enzo says
Awful. Anyway Arad was boring with his “only top” porn products
kevin says
all of this over a man with a good body whose topping is mediocre at best? hes not worth the attention you are giving him move on
Radek says
Another bi liar. I used to be his fan but after watching this I’m not going to watch any of his scenes. It’s a turn of for me.
From now on I don’t care about what this guy does. So, fuck MEN and fuck Arad.
Isiah says
?There a video of so called openly gay porn star Ricky Roman licking a girl’s tit go to ArfadMikahel’s Twitter to see the video he lied about being gay ?
Eric says
I saw that video and was like “wtf?” but it was 2 seconds long so I dont think it was much of a sexual act just porn stars being porn stars.
Hau says
Easy, the moment this vide be release ignore it. I fyou don’t buy it, if you don’t watch it you will b sending the message we don’t want such move. I am homosexual and I like him because I think he is homosexual and I only expect homosexual sex from him.
Dannyboi2 says
Wow- I follow Arad Winwin IG account and he’s a sweetheart that loves to exhibit himself to all sexual orientations. His photos are usually with males so, his market is guys that worship muscular guys. For him, it’s a job and depending on your finances and what you are offered you’ll decide if it’s in your wheelhouse just as in any job. I’m sure just like us we get bored watching the same style of porn and we are looking for the next big turn on. He wants to try bi-porn so what, big deal, If it helps pay the rent what’s 3 or 4 hours hanging out with good-looking people and fucking? It may not be the best sex ever or your taste but it’s a job and someone has to do it. Bonus, he might pick up or lose some new or old fans. Unless you’re paying his mortgage on a monthly basis I doubt he’ll miss you. As far a Men.Com give them a break just as all hetro studio’s that own many gay studios they are always trying to make a buck and willing to explore new avenues. Remember many gay studios are gone or got bought out by the majors. It’s survival and they are expanding their market, I’m sure they are doing market research and watching other studios to see what the new trend is. The bi market maybe the next big thing, you never know and I’m sure they have people requesting bi product and want to give it a try. Don’t be discouraged Arad Winwin wants to please all his fans and I guarantee if he gets blowback he’ll stick to what his fans want, but I doubt he’ll switch, his following probably won’t allow it. Seriously folks what does it matter what he gets off on, bi-str8, gay it’s his life, it’s nice he shares some of it with us and we should appreciate not criticize.
Dannyboi2 says
Wow- I follow Arad Winwin IG account and he’s a sweetheart that loves to exhibit himself to all sexual orientations. His photos are usually with males so, his market is guys that worship muscular guys. For him, it’s a job and depending on your finances and what you are offered you’ll decide if it’s in your wheelhouse just as in any job. I’m sure just like us we get bored watching the same style of porn and we are looking for the next big turn on. He wants to try bi-porn so what, big deal, If it helps pay the rent what’s 3 or 4 hours hanging out with good-looking people and fucking? It may not be the best sex ever or your taste but it’s a job and someone has to do it. Bonus, he might pick up or lose some new or old fans. Unless you’re paying his mortgage on a monthly basis I doubt he’ll miss you. As far a Men.Com give them a break just as all hetro studio’s that own many gay studios they are always trying to make a buck and willing to explore new avenues. Remember many gay studios are gone or got bought out by the majors. It’s survival and they are expanding their market, I’m sure they are doing market research and watching other studios to see what the new trend is. The bi market maybe the next big thing, you never know and I’m sure they have people requesting bi product and want to give it a try. Don’t be discouraged Arad Winwin wants to please all his fans and I guarantee if he gets blowback he’ll stick to what his fans want, but I doubt he’ll switch, his following probably won’t allow it. Seriously folks what does it matter what he gets off on, bi-str8, gay it’s his life, it’s nice he shares some of it with us and we should appreciate not criticize.
nototheno says
Actually, everything you said is not true. If it was just a job then he would bottom already because many fans want it but no, he would never do it because that’s “too gay”. But he will fuck a woman – that really shows how “gay” he is and how he respects his gay fans
tim says
Arad is a self hating homo, like a lot of the gay porny’s, all the “str8” guys in gay porn hate how much they like the taste of dick.